I want to ask your opinion on something: What freight, if any, do the words ‘girl’, ‘young woman’ and ‘woman’ have for you — in relation to both the person referred to and the person speaking?
For instance, if someone (say a person in their early twenties) referred to a person whose name they didn’t know as ‘the girl’ (as in, ‘the girl stood up and punched me in the face’) how old would you think the girl was?
See, I noticed in this last draft that when a certain character first appears (before they learn her name) she’s referred to as ‘the girl’. And I’m pretty sure I wrote ‘girl’ instead of ‘woman’ originally because I tend to refer to people of all ages as boys and girls as though I’m a particularly decrepit kindergarten teacher. Given it’s a me-thing though, I was eyeing it off and wondering if it was also appropriate for my character when I realised that, regardless of whatever I may or may not have been thinking when I wrote it the descriptor is serving as something of a quiet cue to the age of the character. The question is: what is that cue saying exactly?
I asked one of my beta readers who said that ‘girl’ is someone under sixteen. Which is way too young for this character. But ‘woman’ brings with it a train of… well, adulthood that isn’t really appropriate. Because she is quite young. Just not that young. And the suggested alternative of ‘young woman’ makes the POV character using the term sound ancient. To me, anyway.
And that’s my issue, really. I’m wondering if my instinctive responses to those terms match up with other people’s. So tell me: what’s your reflex reaction to those descriptors?
Minkie
30/07/2013
Girl does have the freight of “Pre-adult” – which is why I tend to use “Young lady” when describing anyone of a female gender regardless of age. It seems to be the only term that nobody will object strongly to. Sometimes I just say Lady, but I try not to as there is more frieght to that.
English speakers are stupid. “Human Female” is a good descriptor but you just can;t use it, you are required to use something that has emotional baggage.
Le Sigh
Kandace Mavrick
31/07/2013
‘Young lady’ as a term has a level of formality/implicit age to the speaker as well though, which is fine in reality, problematic in fiction.
April
30/07/2013
I personally use the terms woman/man for anyone old enough to be my parent (aged 50+) and girl/boy/guy for anyone else. The only person who has objected to this calibration is my mother, who “corrected” me when I referred to a 35 yr old as “the girl at my work”. If I read the term “young lady” then I tend to imagine at least a 25 year age gap between the person speaking and the person being spoken about (e.g. 35/10 or 50/25). The term “lady” is a little too formal/posh/unflattering for my liking. For me, any character that refers to males as “guys”, can be assumed to be using the term “girls” for adults as well as children.
Kandace Mavrick
31/07/2013
Now I’m wondering if it’s about how you frame it. Like if the question is girl/boy people seem to think you’re talking about someone younger but girl/guy is more generic age-wise.
ringerc
30/07/2013
My perception is severely distorted by having known you for too long 😉
I actually thought “older female child” (think 10-13ish) about “the girl stood up and punched me in the face”. I guess that comes of knowing teenage girls who were prone to random acts of violence.
In general I intepret “girl” and “boy” in accordance with your (ab)use of them: i.e. probably not older than the speaker, but otherwise age clues come from other context.
Kandace Mavrick
31/07/2013
I think it’s interesting that you got older female child. I mean, a seven year old might punch you in the face. They’re almost more likely to. Less concerned about the consequences.
TheDecoy
31/07/2013
In my early 20s I would have referred to any female human my age or younger as “the girl”.
For example “This woman at Uni” makes me think, again in my early 20s mindset, of a mature age student when “This girl at Uni” makes me think I’m speaking of an age peer.
Kandace Mavrick
31/07/2013
It’s that kind of thing that makes it so difficult to calibrate. Because you’re telling the reader something about the person thinking it as well as the person they’re thinking about.